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<DannMan> Hey thanos
<_thanos> hey now
<Pulse> none of those counter colors work with my page
<GEN0CIDE`> use yellow
<Pulse> starting to search for a new counter
<GEN0CIDE`> really bright try to blind a few people
<Pulse> they have red, blue, and black
<Pulse> my page is lime
<mikedaily> hey u made it ;)
<Pulse> and black
<_thanos> Im compiling, cant hang out too long...:(
<Pulse> oh there's valveman
<Pulse> hi there
<DannMan> Our first background was an eyesore
<mikedaily> ok
<mikedaily> compiling what?
<Pulse> that's why i go with black :)
<_thanos> map
<Pulse> thanos, i sent an email to gabe...will he respond?
<GEN0CIDE`> _thanos: quick qeustion in HL when you kill a dude on the ledge and his 
  feet still sit on it, will his arms sag down or will his body slowly slide off? not 
  like quakes they just float :)
<mikedaily> oh that one
<DannMan> What's the average compile time?
<mikedaily> oh
<GEN0CIDE`> DannMan: 25 hours on my computer :)
<Pulse> lets get organized
<mikedaily> I remeber that bg
<DannMan> Oh my!
<Pulse> thanos cant be bombarded with questions
<mikedaily> hehe
<GEN0CIDE`> i only see 2 so far :)
<DannMan> I was annoyed at 45 minutes
<Pulse> 3
<Pulse> but they all came at the same time
<GEN0CIDE`> well he's a grown man im sure he can handle them
<Pulse> and he fell asleep on us. Get some more Nodoz thanos!
<_thanos> im here somewhere...
<Pulse> oh okay
<Pulse> i'll try to organize the questions
<_thanos> I avoid PR...I pretty much stick to design...
<GEN0CIDE`> Pulse: ask mine to him for me im getting food
<Pulse> ok
<Pulse> even though i dont particularly understand the question
<mikedaily> oops, I didn't know this was going to turn into an interview.
<GEN0CIDE`> bah ndont worry about it
<GEN0CIDE`> i think he just answered it
<Pulse> its not an interview :)
<_thanos> Well, in most games, the body ,after death, can get stuck in world 
  geometry...thats what you refferring to?
<GEN0CIDE`> yes
<GEN0CIDE`> like when you kill someone in quake
<GEN0CIDE`> and his legs still touch the ledge of a drop off
<Pulse> they cant really prevent that all the time
<GEN0CIDE`> his sprite floats
<Pulse> space isnt space, it's all there, you can just walk through it sometimes
<GEN0CIDE`> anywho time for food :)
<Pulse> okay
<GEN0CIDE`> see if i can find something
<mikedaily> yummy
<mikedaily> i got pizza, I can e-mail it to you
<Pulse> look a bug! roast it up
<Pulse> hehe
<SummonerX> these is my computer freaks are made fun of...
<SummonerX> this
<mikedaily> South Park is sooooo funny
<GEN0CIDE`> i taped southg park last night
<Pulse> south park rules...anyway
<GEN0CIDE`> MR hankey
<Pulse> thanos are you out there?
<Pulse> (echo)
<_thanos> yea...
<Pulse> okay
<Pulse> someone come up with a question
<DannMan> Thanos: what processor are you using to compile?
<Pulse> i have one!
<_thanos> Im in an icq,  putting a wager on my friends GPA
<GEN0CIDE`> thanos you got a wife n kids?
<Pulse> time to find out thanos' ICQ number :)
<_thanos> no wife or kids yet...
<mikedaily> GPA?
<mikedaily> I already have it
<_thanos> yea, hes supposed to graduate 
<mikedaily> I know my GPA
<mikedaily> 4.3
<Pulse> a friend of thanos
<_thanos> he
<Pulse> i say its about 3.6
<mikedaily> I'm so smart :O
<Pulse> or maybe 2.1
<Pulse> :)
<mikedaily> j/k
<Pulse> hmmm
<DannMan> Thanos: what processor are you using to compile?
<GEN0CIDE`> i think cartman off south park should apear in Half-life
<mikedaily> Thanos: Can anybody else come?
<_thanos> I compile small maps on my p2 266, and large maps on a quad pp200
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<DannMan> I'm doomed
<GEN0CIDE`> quad
<GEN0CIDE`> jeese
<SummonerX> hey gordon
<Pulse> thanos: how long do you think it will take for gabe to respond to my email? i 
  am having a contest for a logo for my site, and wanted to see if you could help me 
  out with the prizes (and also get some new screenshots for my page)
<StrangerH> so how's every one doing?
<mikedaily> whoa
<Pulse> crappy 266 :P
<DannMan> Fine how are you?
<Pulse> get one of those 333s that are coming out
<StrangerH> good
<GEN0CIDE`> intel just punched out there Pent II 333
<Pulse> Hi Stranger
<_thanos> I'm not the guy to talk to about PR...
<Pulse> err
<Pulse> Howdy Stranger
<DannMan> Computers upgrade too fast
<GEN0CIDE`> yah i just bought my monster 3d
<GEN0CIDE`> now voodoo 2 is out soon
<GEN0CIDE`> hopefully i can do some kinda trade back
* Pulse is an idiot..doesn't know what PR is
<GEN0CIDE`> posting reference (my terminolgy)
<DannMan> I bought a Pentium pro 200 thinking I get faster 3-d stuff, and now I need a 
  3-d board
<_thanos> Public Relations
<Pulse> ahh. okay
<mikedaily> Remember kids, dressing up like Hitler in school, isn't cool. Hehe, South 
  Park is soooo funny
<Pulse> is that what my question related to?
<_thanos> its a whole 'nother department
<Pulse> k
<GEN0CIDE`> thanos: you make maps?
<mikedaily> talk to mike, mark, or gabe for PR stuff
<_thanos> yea, maps 
<GEN0CIDE`> how do you go about making them
<GEN0CIDE`> watch a movie and say hey that looks cool?
<GEN0CIDE`> or just a creative guy
<_thanos> jas
<Pulse> hehe
<DannMan> Thanos: Do you use Worldcraft or a more high powered builder?
<_thanos> WC
<GEN0CIDE`> well i go to make a map and i draw a blank :)
<DannMan> cool
<_thanos> brb
<Pulse> I would model maps after cities
<mikedaily> I suck at making maps
<mikedaily> can't even make a door :)
<Pulse> or the sewage system
<Pulse> hehe
<GEN0CIDE`> i try making maps
<Pulse> how about an old couch from college?
<GEN0CIDE`> jas=?
<Pulse> im the man at maps :)
<_thanos> just a sec
<DannMan> I'm trying to make a temple of Doom like map after that underground place in 
  Indiana Jones.
<mikedaily> yea right
<Pulse> cool
<Pulse> i made a map from my old high school
<GEN0CIDE`> i'd make a map of a airplane
<Pulse> blow the place to bits and its more fun :)
<GEN0CIDE`> with moving sky for windows
<SummonerX> how do ya'all go about the process of mapmaking?
<GEN0CIDE`> that would be cool
<mikedaily> w/ WC
<_thanos> ok, back..
<SummonerX> WC......soooo how?
<Pulse> All us web designers should make maps for Half-Life and play each-other
<Pulse> we can use my old high-school map :)
<mikedaily> I suck at map making
<GEN0CIDE`> me too
<GEN0CIDE`> i cant get that carve tool thing down
<SummonerX> what are "brushes"?
<_thanos> Well, things are designed before hand... certain aspects of gameplay and 
  story exist in spec.
<Pulse> my old school was real easy to do though..only one curved wall in the whole 
  place :)
<DannMan> There's plane clipping now, which is better than carve in some cases.
<_thanos> we build the spec and make it tangible
<_thanos> avoid carve...use the vertex
<_thanos> or the clipping plane
<DannMan> Vertex manipulations usually gives me a bad normal.
<DannMan> Does Half-life allow concave brushes
<_thanos> you'll recognize bad brushes before too lng
<_thanos> long
<_thanos> no
<DannMan> ok
<GEN0CIDE`> thanos: do you add such things as tables/pop machines etc to the levels too
<GEN0CIDE`> or does a sprite guy do that
<Pulse> afk...putting up a new counter
<_thanos> level designers do everything bu code, monsters, and textures
<_thanos> there isn't really a "sprite guy"
<GEN0CIDE`> don't you find a level looks cool one day, then look back and say wait i 
  can change this and that.
<mikedaily> can u say anything about Valve's second game yet?
<GEN0CIDE`> kinda goes on and on...
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<xWhiRx> hey all
<mikedaily> yo
<xWhiRx> hey mike
<_thanos> Geno, yea, that happens, but part of being productive is to move on. The 
  artist is usually his worst critic
<xWhiRx> mike check out http://artofsin.telefragged.com/steel/index.htm the arogant 
  bastart has a photoshop tutorial, its cool.
<mikedaily> what?
<SummonerX> will there be different types of "skins" for the characer that is played in 
  Half-life?
<mikedaily> I don't have photoshop
<xWhiRx> il tellya on ICQ
<mikedaily> k
<GEN0CIDE`> thanos: any luck on getting some vehicles moving in the game yet?
<_thanos> heh
<xWhiRx> SiN has boats and stuff...
<Pulse> you know he cant say anything about the new valve game
<Pulse> SiN sucks and Half-Life rocks so..
<_thanos> You played SiN?
<GEN0CIDE`> how can you say it sucks
<GEN0CIDE`> dought you played it
<_thanos> I'm looking foward to SiN actually
<xWhiRx> no, red they have it somewere
<Pulse> dunno :)
<Pulse> i have to say that the games i cant afford to get suck
<Pulse> :)
<GEN0CIDE`> I want SiN cuz technically the levelords levels are amazing
<Pulse> convince myself i dont want em and only get one game
<xWhiRx> Im getting them all
<Pulse> lucky
<xWhiRx> thinking of all this years coming games is like.. ------
<mikedaily> I'm only gettin H-L
<Pulse> me too
<mikedaily> well Whir, you have a job :)
<DannMan> same here
<_thanos> yea, he's great
<GEN0CIDE`> nice guy too
<Pulse> i'll hafta bribe someone if i want all of em
<mikedaily> hehe
<_thanos> After designing for so long, you tend to look harder and harder for gameplay, 
  and care less about architecture..
<Pulse> i want HL, SiN, Prey, and Unreal
<xWhiRx> Mike, got some info on the raven story... its awesome. might fill you in on it 
  if im alowed =]
<GEN0CIDE`> daikanta will be sweet too
<mikedaily> ok
<GEN0CIDE`> john romera is another great level designer
<GEN0CIDE`> his traps rule
<GEN0CIDE`> romeo
<mikedaily> story. there's a plot. cool!
<GEN0CIDE`> or something :)
<mikedaily> romero
<_thanos> Yea, I find it extremely easy to make great looking levels, making then fun 
  is the challenge
<GEN0CIDE`> yup
<Pulse> WOOHOO! somebody has a cool counter!
<mikedaily> Are there still going to be puzzles?
<GEN0CIDE`> ID made big --- mistake forcing John to resign
<mikedaily> who?
<Pulse> http://members.xoom.com/biowar
<Pulse> :)
<Pulse> check it
<GEN0CIDE`> quake 2 levels wernt fun
<_thanos> puzzles, yes. you bet...
<Pulse> it rolls as other people get on
<GEN0CIDE`> i played quake levels becuase they where fun
<xWhiRx> A thanos, what do you think about Steed (was it?) talking about HL's 
  progremers not knowing how to optimize the code to run on mainstreem systems?
<Pulse> puzzles?
<Pulse> WOW!
<_thanos> I liked alot of the Q2 levels...
<GEN0CIDE`> i played quake 2 levels cuz i wanted to beat the game
<xWhiRx> a=hey
<Pulse> so..
<Pulse> by puzzles do you mean..
<_thanos> heheh, Steed?...who's that?
<xWhiRx> check jaspers
<Pulse> a mix between quake and 7th guest (generalization)
<mikedaily> nice counter
<Pulse> or are the puzzles less complex?
<Pulse> thanks :)
<_thanos> quake had puzzles?
<mikedaily> where's you get it?
<mikedaily> no
<Pulse> no
<mikedaily> sorta
<Pulse> i mean like..
<GEN0CIDE`> quake sure had puzzles
<GEN0CIDE`> i depends what your view of a puzzle is
<_thanos> oh, we probably won't have too many "shoot the button" puzzles
<Pulse> it is a mixture between a first person shooter and a 7th guest puzzle game..
<xWhiRx> Yea like "hmmm how can it ... be... be so bland?"
<Pulse> hehe those are fun though :)
<GEN0CIDE`> ehehhe
<DannMan> Hey I'm the forth visitor, want a screenshot? hehe
<GEN0CIDE`> why shooting buttons is cool :)
<Pulse> oh yeah, got the counter at..
<Pulse> yeah :)
<_thanos> Buttonds dont shoot back
<Pulse> actually
<mikedaily> I was third
<Pulse> wow
<Pulse> thats coo;l
<Pulse> well
<Pulse> blood has puzzles
<Pulse> pick the wrong door
<Pulse> and it fries you
<Pulse> its cool :)
<Pulse> oh yeah
<Pulse> counter..
<GEN0CIDE`> thanos: you making us some traps?
<Pulse> click on the counter and it links to that page
<_thanos> I've been playing EOB3 ....you guys play that yet?
<xWhiRx> "theres a button across the room, I must navigate the clear halway to reach 
  it, hmmm..."
<GEN0CIDE`> eob3?
<GEN0CIDE`> that short form or the actually name.
<Pulse> make a biological warfare trap...click the wrong thing..virus exposed to 
  everyone
<Pulse> :)
<GEN0CIDE`> err actual
<Pulse> http://counter.bloke.com/  <---counter page
<mikedaily> k
<mikedaily> I like our counter, it gives stats
<Pulse> I think I'll make a game sometimes..
<Pulse> sometime
<DannMan> I had one of those but the extra server requests were bogging down the load 
  time
<mikedaily> yea right
<Pulse> at the end
<Pulse> you release a deadly virus
<Pulse> it kills you
<GEN0CIDE`> anyone here know what eob3 is?
<Pulse> but kills the enemy too
<Pulse> so you win :)
<_thanos> Eye of the beholder III
<xWhiRx> no
<Pulse> ill call it Biological Warfare :)
<GEN0CIDE`> ack RPG
<GEN0CIDE`> ick :)
<_thanos> 1993 SSI gane.. AD&D
<mikedaily> thanos, what about the female assassain?
<mikedaily> know anything about her
<xWhiRx> I only played one RPG, earthbound on snes...
<GEN0CIDE`> prolly as much as we know :)
<mikedaily> I hate RPGs
<GEN0CIDE`> same
<DannMan> same here
<xWhiRx> doya get to reload weps in HL, like quake navy seals?
<Pulse> i havent really played a real rpg
<GEN0CIDE`> best game i played has to be Myth: the fallen lords/Carmageddon
<xWhiRx> RPG's are cool.. I just never get them
<mikedaily> Carma. rules!!!!!
<Pulse> ive played ff7, diablo (HA), and ultima online
<Pulse> thats my rpg experience :)
<mikedaily> so does Myth
<_thanos> try EOBII thats how I got into it...part of it was nostalgia though..
<xWhiRx> Im getin myth tomorow
<_thanos> hey, my compile is done...
<GEN0CIDE`> myth is cool on 3dfx
<_thanos> later
<GEN0CIDE`> makes me glad i bought this car
<GEN0CIDE`> d
<Pulse> woohoo I have 5 big hits! :)
<xWhiRx> I gots the demo... I love the music
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<GEN0CIDE`> later
<xWhiRx> later